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Rocking It Bold with Tamara Flake
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In this episode of On Air & Off Script, host Karyl Morris sits down with powerhouse speaker and IROCKITBALD founder Tamara Flake for a powerful conversation about resilience, identity, and self-acceptance.
Diagnosed with alopecia at just six years old, Tamara spent years navigating the emotional challenges that came with looking different and learning to embrace who she truly is. Rather than allowing her diagnosis to define her, she transformed decades of personal struggle into a mission to help others heal, grow, and step confidently into their own stories. Tamara shares how she found the courage to stop hiding, own her truth, and build a platform that empowers people to live authentically.
Who’s Tamara Flake?
Tamara R. Flake is a powerhouse speaker, banking professional, and founder of IROCKITBALD. Diagnosed with Alopecia at age six, Tam has turned decades of personal struggle into a bold message of healing and empowerment. With a thriving career in the financial industry, Tam understands what it means to lead while still learning to love yourself and she now helps others do the same. She speaks with honesty, heart, and a sense of purpose and authenticity that resonates across all generations. Whether addressing corporate leaders, youth, or faith-based communities, Tam inspires audiences to embrace their truth, stand in their confidence, and live the life they want; fearlessly, freely, and fully.
Keep Up With Tamara Flake:
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- Website: https://www.irockitbald.com/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tamara-flake/
Who’s The Host?
Karyl Morris is the founder of The Image Impact Group and host of The Visibility Room™: On Air & Off Script, filmed exclusively in Detroit’s ONLY visibility creative studio for high-impact leaders. With every hand-selected guest, she explores the real stories behind leadership, visibility, and influence. Through candid conversations, Karyl helps listeners understand how people build credibility, navigate change, and show up with confidence — on camera and beyond.
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I'm not doing this wig no more. I'm sweating, I'm hot, and I just want to be free. And I'm like, if I'm gonna test it anywhere, it's gonna be where nobody knows. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I love this part of the story. After he did it, and me and my sister stepped out into the hotel hallway. My niece at the time, my niece goes, I don't think this is a good idea.
SPEAKER_01Welcome to the visibility room on air and off script. Hey everybody, it's Carol Morris from the Image Impact Group and the visibility room on air and off script. And today I have with me a Tamara Tam Flake. Hey. Welcome, welcome, welcome.
SPEAKER_02Thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here.
SPEAKER_01Yes, I'm excited for you to be here too. And we met a couple years ago. And one of the things that you told me about back then was your organization called iRocket Balled. And we're gonna jump into that. But first, okay. But first, rapid fire questions. Are you ready?
SPEAKER_02I don't think I've ever done rapid fire, so I don't know. I don't know if I'm ready. Okay.
SPEAKER_01Even better. Okay. What is the first impression you want people to have of you?
SPEAKER_02Oh, she's approachable. I like that.
SPEAKER_01Why?
SPEAKER_02Oh, just because I enjoy having conversations with people. Um, I feel like I'm great at breaking down barriers and just like get into, you know, like who are you? What do you do? Let's connect.
SPEAKER_01Yes, I love that. And you are a great connector. That I know for sure. What segue, please? What is your favorite way to connect with people? Digitally or in person?
SPEAKER_02Um, in person.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it just makes it more real.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely, absolutely. What builds credibility faster? Expertise, presence, or consistency. Consistency. And why?
SPEAKER_02Because you have to be consistent in order for somebody to trust that you're gonna do what you said you're gonna do.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I would love that. And what's a trust killer? Speaking of trust that you often see.
SPEAKER_02I guess not being consistent. No, uh a trust killer uh lying to me.
SPEAKER_01Oh. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, telling me one thing and then doing something totally different.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Yeah, that'll that'll take you out rapidly. What is one leadership lesson? You know, kind of thinking back to you've had a great career in both your organization and in banking finance. What's one leadership lesson that really stays with you?
SPEAKER_02Oh, okay. That's not the direction I thought that question was going. A leadership lesson that that has stayed with me is to support my team and my colleagues. Like when I was a people leader, yeah. Um, really, okay, so I had this district manager short story. I had this district manager who really stood in the fire with me. Like she led from beside me. Okay. And that was probably one of the most productive, most rewarding moments in my career that I often point back to. Yeah. Because we had great success, not as individuals, but as a team.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And she walked that journey with us. Like she was in it with us, guiding and coaching, success, celebrating successes, you know, correcting failures when it needed to be corrected. But her leadership in that moment taught me a lot about what it is to stand in it with your team and actually win.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, not just, you know, waving the magic wand and hoping everybody does you know what you want them to do, but taking it in, taking it on together. I love that. I love that. Tell me a little bit about iRocket Ball. How did it, how did it start? Where is it going? What does it mean to you?
SPEAKER_02Funny enough, it started just as a Instagram handle. So when Instagram first came out, it was shortly after the iPhone came out. Everything was kind of I this, I that, right? And I'm like, dang, what's my avatar and my Instagram handle gonna be? And it just came to me like I rock it balls. Yeah. And so that was my Instagram handle, and I just was posting as a regular old person, but it was my cutesy little way of saying this is who I am.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_02But that evolved over time as people started to see it and was like, I like that. And then I'm like, hmm, maybe I can turn this into a brand. Yes. Um, so that it did evolve into what's today I rocket balled LLC, like we are a business. Yes. Um, I used to refer to it as an organization, but um, I'm official. I'm on paper now. I got tax ID numbers and everything.
SPEAKER_01The government has found me. The government has found me.
SPEAKER_02I'm not making no money yet. It's all debt, you know, like I'm expenses, expenses, expenses. We building, right? Right. But um iRocket Ball was born out of my journey with alopecia. I I was diagnosed with it when I was six years old. And it's just it's been a it's been a ride, like a wave of, you know, feelings, emotions, uh, self-esteem, image, you know, concerns, questioning myself, my confidence. Right. You know, the woman that sits before you here today with all of this love and light and confidence and exuding everything is not who I used to be. And it took me a long time to get here. So I turned iRocket Bald, transitioned it from an Instagram handle to um an organization that has purpose. And so what I say is iRocket Bald is for individuals that are living with or loving someone with hair loss. Um, obviously, alopecia is my uh, you know, foundation. Yeah, but hair loss can come in many forms and from many different things. So my lens is from alopecia, but all are welcome. I'm inclusive.
SPEAKER_01So tell me a little bit about the journey from the kid to this confident, beautiful, strong woman that sits before me. And I do want to say that, you know, when you came in today, we had another client that stopped in real quick and she was like, Wow, who is this confident woman that just walked in? She did. I heard I'm like She literally said that. Yeah, yeah. So I mean, how great that the little girl in you probably didn't realize that that was gonna happen at some point sometime.
SPEAKER_02No, not at all. Because I, you know, I was just reflecting on this the other day. I have I growing up was very skinny. Um, and I just was not necessarily always comfortable in my body, and then I had the hair loss on top of it. And so I would cover up a lot, like I did any and everything to avoid attracting attention. Okay. I did, believe it or not. Like some people will say to me now, like, you just love a center of attention. I'm not really, but I'll take it. I know how to handle it now. Exactly. Um, I had a coworker tell me that one time, it pissed me off.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Because she was not being, she was being messy.
SPEAKER_01I was gonna say, yeah, that there's there's a difference between being complimentary about you know the confidence and being snarky.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, exactly. I call her messy boots. But anyway, um I I was six years old when I was diagnosed. I was in first grade. It started off with just bald spots, and I was scared because I thought that, you know, the little scissors they gave us in uh first grade were the very dull ones. Right. One day I don't know why I just started cutting my hair with them. Oh and I thought, oh my God, I should have never done that. Now my hair's falling out, it's all my fault. And so I had like quarter-sized bald spots. Yeah, my parents took me to the dermatologist to get it looked at, and they diagnosed me with alopecia areata. And so um begins the journey of topical creams and ointments and injections and all the things that you know they try to use to resolve it. Yeah, but none of it really worked for me. And quite frankly, you know, my hair it would fall out during the school year, it would grow back in the summer. I never had edges. So when I did wear my own hair in elementary school, it looked crazy. I look like um, what's that? What's that, what's that uh uh boxer promoter with the Da Key. I look like Da Key because I would have a headband on and my hair would just be sticking straight up off my head. Like I have gone through some phases. Girl, if I show you these pictures, you're gonna be like, you was ugly. And I'ma say I was ugly.
SPEAKER_01There's no way.
SPEAKER_02And I would snag a tooth. Oh, the glow up is real. Wow. The glow up is real. Like I was missing my front uh tooth for years. Like seemed like all of elementary school. Yeah. Because that tooth falls out when you're like six years old. Right, right. And it's supposed to come back within a few months. I did not get that tooth back until fifth grade, maybe sixth grade, when I got braces and they had to go get it and pull it down with braces. Oh my God. You know what? Growing up is just hard in general.
SPEAKER_01Oh my God.
SPEAKER_02Oh, but the hairstyles that I used to go through through elementary school, I mean, it was it was rough because they did not make wigs for kids back then. Oh the way that you can get wigs now where they look very real and natural. Yeah. Um, the ones I had were from like the beauty supply store. So I'm buying the same wig that Auntie Mine was wearing the church.
SPEAKER_01Okay. It wasn't gray, was it?
SPEAKER_02It was not gray.
SPEAKER_01Is it blue?
SPEAKER_02It was not blue. I did have a purple one once, but they were just like, okay, think of Dora the Explorer. So I had a little mushroom vibe. I had that. And then it was always just very straight hair. It was not textured at all. Um, and so, you know, as a little black girl, that felt weird because everybody else's hair had some texture to it. And um, it just was not like everybody else. So here, the girl who doesn't want to stand out got this hair that's different.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Everybody, I can't wear ponytails, I can't wear the little cornrows, no nothing. And it just, I'm like, okay, sticking out like store, a sore thumbnail. So this was also part of the reason why I did not want to stand out. Like, this is enough. Right. You know, let's distract from that.
SPEAKER_01So, how do you get from that little girl again to this literally beautiful, strong? I mean, you are a presence. You walk in and everybody goes, Oh, wow. Not because you have a bald head, because of how you project your entire being.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Well, I my parents did put me in therapy at a very early age. I want to say I was maybe around eight. Okay. So when they first started uh, you know, me in therapy sessions. And they did that because I wasn't talking about my feelings. Yeah. And I was bottling it up, and then I will I think I used to have emotional outbursts. I definitely had a smart mouth. My mom just used to get like she was so over my smart mouth. Um, but I used to bottle up my emotions and then I would just burst out with in tears and whatever. And so they put me in therapy. I learned how to express myself.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So it's funny because today I just have to get it off my chest. If I'm feeling something, I'm either gonna tell you or vent to somebody else so I can get it off my chest if I don't feel it's appropriate for me to tell you. Um, but I started to talk, yeah.
SPEAKER_03I love that.
SPEAKER_02I started to build confidence in myself uh with little cosmetic changes. So, like in middle school, I started drawing my eyebrows on with a pencil just to kind of fill in the blanks. Yeah, you know what I mean? Because I didn't have eyebrows, though those fell out. And uh, I remember I had a counselor one time gave me a confidence booster. She was like, baby, you know, I see what you're trying to do there. And that black pencil is not a good match for your skin tone. You want to use a darkest brown. And I said, Okay, thank you. And that helped because I'm like, this does look kind of crazy.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but little things from people who care and are watching out for your best interests. Yep.
SPEAKER_02So that was like one thing. And then, you know, as I started to age and the wigs, you know, I could cut them to make them more stylish or uh a tweenie or whatever you are between the 10 and 13. Yeah. Um, and uh eventually by the time I got to high school, I was able to my hair grew to a point where I could do latch hooks. Oh, okay. And I came out of the wigs, and so I was just like so excited for that because now I could still wear the headband to cover the fact that I did not have any edges. I mean, they were completely bald, but I had enough hair that allowed me to put these latch hooks in where I could have a hairstyle.
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_02And it wasn't a wig that was gonna fall off or could be pulled off because someone did pull my wig off once when I was in uh middle school. And I I transitioned from the latch hooks to um full sewn-in weaves, yeah, some partial weaves where it left a little bit of my hair out, okay, which was scary because if it rained, I did not have a perm, and that hair was gonna be a whole different texture than the weave that was sewn in. So I'm sorry about that one day when it rained in high school. It was bad.
SPEAKER_01Oh, we got other things to worry about.
SPEAKER_02I transitioned to um uh ponytails where I had swoop bangs. Yeah, so you could put I could put my hair up in a ponytail, have a cute thing, and then she would put some hair in and then cover the edges again. Everything was about hiding what I didn't have, okay, but also allowing me to transition out of these wigs. Right. And so my confidence started to boost a little bit there in high school. Dudes wanted to talk to me, and I'm like, oh, I'm cute. Okay, and you play football.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, you wanna talk to me.
SPEAKER_02So that helped, you know, getting some attention from the opposite sex, especially that you know, that you're attracted to, right? Um, helped boost my confidence. But then I met who is now my husband, yeah, and he didn't care about any of it. And it was kind of weird because I was still trying to transition into it. And he was like, Oh, I like it when you wear your hair wrapped up in the scarf and or nothing. Right. You know, just when you have the scarf on, it looks very, you know, queen-like and natural and mother earth and that sort of thing. Canadian. Yeah. So he encouraged me a long, long time ago to just be natural. And I'm like, mm-mm, nope, not gonna happen. Yeah, his his opinion of me wasn't enough. I had to get to it myself, right? And eventually I did, but I was like 29 years old, I think. It was when I went on a vacation. Well, yeah, it was a vacation. We were dropping my nephew off at college in Florida. He went to Bethune Cookman, and it I went to I went to sit by the pool, and I had this wig on. It was cute, yeah. But I also had one of those cute summer hats on. And I'm sitting down at the pool and I just started sweating, just sweat, just pouring down my face. And I'm like, this is stupid. Like, why? Because at that time I had probably about that much hair on the back of my head. Okay. That much of a patch of hair. Yeah. And I'm like, this is stupid. I'm just gonna go take this wig, this hat off, or the wig at least. Yeah, have my brother shave up the back of my head because he's bald. Okay. This is my sister's husband, he's my brother. And I'm like, bro, just clean me up. I'm I'm not doing this wig no more. I'm sweating, I'm hot, and I just want to be free. And I'm like, if I'm gonna test it anywhere, it's gonna be where nobody knows. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I love this part of the story. After he did it, and me and my sister stepped out into the hotel hallway. My niece at the time was maybe about four or five, six years old, maybe eight. I don't know. She was young though, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And so me and my sister walking down the hallway, her, my niece, and my uh my two sons are peeking out the door watching, and my niece goes, I don't think this is a good idea.
SPEAKER_01Out of the mouth of babes. Out of the mouth of babes. Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_02But uh my sister is walking behind me the whole time we're out, and the first person that we see is in the elevator lobby on our floor.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02He's just standing there staring out the window, minding his own business, and then he turns around to see who's looking. And then he did a double take and did a nod. And I was like, mm-hmm. Approval.
SPEAKER_01Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_02Okay, this might actually go really well. Yes. And ever since then, it's just kind of been like my greatest fear was how are people gonna look at me? How are people gonna receive me because I don't have hair? I think it's gonna be negative people because I grew up being teased and made fun of, bullied, and you know, assaulted, quite frankly. Yeah. Um, that I'm scared, right? I'm afraid.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02But the response that I got from the world was the complete opposite. It was the looks of like, wow, you're so beautiful. It was the compliments, it was the, you know, the confirmation that, yeah, you you rocking that. And people would say that a lot too. So that's where the rock came from. Like, I'm rocking it. Yeah, like you rocking that ball, and I am rocking this ball.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you know, and that that's also probably how the the name transitioned into I rock and yeah, and it's amazing how people's words can make you sit up stronger or bring you back down. And what a beautiful story to be able to have that man that you didn't know. And again, somebody of the opposite sex who, you know, when we're younger, it's very important, right? If that's, you know, even though you're married, it doesn't matter. It's like like somebody validating, right? Yeah. And to not have he didn't have any skin in the game, he didn't have any reason to say or not or anything, but he did because he saw.
SPEAKER_02Isn't it amazing though? He saw how much weight we put on the value of people who we don't even know.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, a hundred percent.
SPEAKER_02Like the affirmation of strangers that helped me to get to this level of confident confidence, not that I sit here reflecting on it, is crazy because right now at this stage in my life, I don't care what anybody thinks about me. I'm gonna do me. Right. But I had to get here. Yes. And they and getting here involved the validation of strangers. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I think what happens too is that, you know, when when it's our family or our closest friends that give us validation, we think it's because they're trying to make us feel better. Right. Rather than telling us the God's honest truth.
SPEAKER_02Yep. Because they love us, yeah, right.
SPEAKER_01And they want us to feel protected and safe. Exactly. Exactly. And this person did, like I said, had no skin in the game. He didn't have any reason why he had to do or not do anything. But he gave you what you needed at the time. Yep. Isn't that interesting? Yep, yeah. Yeah. It's funny because I used to have very long hair. I had long hair for my whole life, and it was a huge crush, crutch. And as soon as I cut it off, I think my confidence even boosted again because it, I just don't worry about it. It's like this is who I am, and the hair is really not that important.
SPEAKER_02It's not, you know, but it takes a special kind of woman to rock no hair, short hair. And it's funny because a lot of the women that I know who have long, beautiful hair, they don't want to be bothered with it. They don't want to take care of it. So they'll put it under a wig. Right. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Well, you always have it on top of your head or whatever. That's yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I yeah, I don't know. Um, I don't know if I were faced with the same situation if I would have come out a head like you did or not. I mean, I think that is such a personal journey that it's hard to put yourself in somebody's shoes like that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, but I just, I mean, I think you're fabulous. Well, thank you. All of you.
SPEAKER_02I appreciate that. Thank you so much. Every time I hear someone give me a compliment about, you know, my bald head or my looks or everything, it still always very, you know, makes me shy. Like, thank you. Yeah. Because you know, you don't have to say that. Right. Right. You don't have to compliment me. And, you know, I don't get a big head about it or anything, but I just, I just take it like, you know, it's humbling.
SPEAKER_01I think too, for you in particular, Tam, is that you like your whole presence is well put together. And this is almost like your accessory, like your statement, right? And and it just adds to the to the whole flavor of who you are. I just think it's so amazing.
SPEAKER_02And people ask me sometimes too like, is it is it by choice? Uh-huh. Like, is this a style you rocking? Yeah. And I'm like, no, this is by consequence. Yeah. I just choose to share it with you. Yeah. I could cover it up, but I'm over that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, exactly. So one thing I wanted to ask you is, you know, as you're continuing to grow and the and the company is continuing to grow, who do you want to partner with? What are you looking for?
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Thank you so much for asking. Because right now, did I tell you about the eyebrows? Yes. So let me let me expound on the eyebrow story really quick. So I've been drawing my eyebrows on since I was in middle school. So about 12 years old, trying to figure out the shape. It started off as a zoop, yeah, straight line. Crazy, right? It has it evolved to more of an art form where I could like paint something, brush something on that looked more shapely and arched and everything. So it evolved. But I've I had to I did that up until like three years ago.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02And I'm 45.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. That's a long time. I've been drawing. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Okay. I was introduced to micro shading eyebrows, and it changed my life. I got mine done about three years ago, and it's like an ombre micro shaded eyebrow. And it was a procedure, it took about three hours. Um, and when I was done, it's actually the most watched reel on my Instagram page. It has like 14,000 views. But once it was done, it looked so beautiful. And I did not have to have to put on makeup anymore. And it changed my life because no longer was I worried about touching my face and rubbing off my eyebrow or going on vacation and having to put on eyebrows to go get wet, to tile my face off, to wipe my eyebrows. I mean, it was just little micro thoughts that happened throughout the day where I'm like, I don't want to think about this anymore.
SPEAKER_01And sorry, that so I understand. Is it almost like a tattooing?
SPEAKER_02They definitely use a needle and they don't go as deep as a tattoo. Okay. Um, so yes, they use a needle to insert the ink to create the visual.
SPEAKER_01They're beautiful.
SPEAKER_02So so that service changed my life and and and just took that one worry off my plate from day to day. And so what I want to do with iRocket Bald is and the price, the price of that, that procedure is costly.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02But I want to partner with a service provider who um wants to provide that service to change someone else's life and and be able to gift that to someone who's living without an eyebrow. Yeah. Because it just was so impactful to me. Two things that I want to do in this in this world is I want to have an impact and I want to leave a legacy. And so because I think the eyebrows, I mean, you know, it's cosmetic, yes, but the way it shifted how I felt about me, this was also part of the confidence boost. Yeah. I want to be able to provide that to someone else who wants it, who it'll give them that same jolt to. So I'm looking for a partner that provides that service, that is very careful about, you know, providing it to people with hair loss, whether it's from alopecia or whatever.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um, so yeah, I want to do that. Like I want to do that by the end of June.
SPEAKER_01Oh, by the end of June. All right. So I want to have our partnership in place by the end of June. Yes. If you, if anybody's listening out there, seriously, if if when you're listening or watching this and you have a connection, please reach out to TM because this is important. You know, we we see just with the work that we do with our clients and just up-leveling presence, we see the confidence boost. So I can only imagine, yeah, like you said, they're micro micro shading. Micro, it's micro shading and it's micro worries that people have that add up.
SPEAKER_02I see what you did there. Yeah. Yeah. Right?
SPEAKER_01Because they just stack up and all and all of a sudden your confidence doesn't feel right. But it's like if we can we limit it, like what can we do?
SPEAKER_02Take that worry off my my brain. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Oh my gosh. All right, we're gonna go a little longer than usual because I like this conversation and it's my show and it's off script, and we can do it. I want to talk about a children's book that maybe you might have up your sleeve.
SPEAKER_02Yes. So I have so many stories from when I was a kid growing up with alopecia that I've decided that I'm going to write children's books telling those stories to help people talk to their children about alopecia. Yeah. And about people who are just different that look different than them. Yeah. Because too many times, just recently, you know, too many times though, I've I've run into children, even my own godchildren, be like, Where your hair? Oh.
SPEAKER_01And I'm like, show you where my hair is.
SPEAKER_02This is what we're doing today. Yeah. Um, and I was in New Orleans at the beginning of April, and I was at the pool with my sister, and a little boy yelled out something to his mom. He was like, Is that a boy?
SPEAKER_03Oh.
SPEAKER_02And I was like, I'm a girl. Keep it moving. Yeah. Right. I did a post on LinkedIn about this because it triggered something in me in that moment. And it's like, we need to provide the tools to children to be able to navigate their curiosity comfortably. Right. And without shushing them and without making them feel bad about being curious, but also with loving kindness. You know what I mean? Like, you don't want to hurt people's feelings with your curiosity. There's a way to go about it. So I think these children's books will help uh to bring that awareness forward. And so by the end of June, again, I'm on a deadline. I'm gonna have the first draft of that first children's book written.
SPEAKER_01Good for you.
SPEAKER_02Oh Lord, I don't put it out there for everybody to get it.
SPEAKER_01She said it, it will be true. It will be true. Thank you so much for sharing all this with us. And I think it's it there's so many important lessons to learn within the conversation. And I think it's interesting too, going back to your uh little niece that said, I don't know if that's a good idea. That's how kids are, right? I mean, they just say whatever they want to say, yep. But maybe giving some tools to round the edges a little earlier would be helpful. Yeah, all right. This is my magic bowl. We have time for one question. Okay, and if it doesn't say Detroit on it, then I'm putting it back in and I'm giving you one.
SPEAKER_02Listen, you already said let me see if I can read it.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02Let me see if I can read it.
SPEAKER_01I have a chicken scratch, so that's uh always my caveat.
SPEAKER_02Nope. So serious.
SPEAKER_01I don't want that one anymore. Oh, yep, this is the one. Okay. A Detroit rule you live by.
SPEAKER_02I don't like this question. What's the Detroit rule that I live by? We represent wherever we go, whether it's to another state, uh-huh, to another country. It's gonna always be an English D on my neck or my hat. It's gonna be a what up though when you greet somebody. We represent no matter where in the world we go. So many people have implanted in other parts of the world, but they always carry Detroit with them, right? Like I know people who've moved to Georgia, Arizona, DC, and the Detroit people get together and link up and keep it Detroit, like together. So I I love that. I've never lived anywhere other than here, but when I go out of town and I'm traveling, I always have something that represents me in my city.
SPEAKER_01I love that. Yeah, it's funny, and I might have talked about this on a on a different podcast, but we um did a uh a Red Wings tour. We lived in Georgia for a couple of years, and there was a um a Red Wings, a Red Wings tour to the Nashville Predators. And so we we went up, we the whole bunch of us met there. Yeah, and we just ended up in this bar, and the whole bar had red wing Red Wings jerseys on. It was Detroit everywhere. It was so fun. And you're right. I mean, if you're from Detroit, you'll find the other Detroiter. You will 100%. It's easy. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Because we're gonna represent the fellas might have on a ball cap with English D or a shirt or something, a coat, a t-shirt, something. You're gonna know if you're out of town where the Detroit is at.
SPEAKER_01Yep, that's right. Oh my gosh, Tam, I literally could continue to talk to you for probably the next couple hours. However, we do need to say goodbye. So thank you so much for stopping. Yes, and I can't wait till June comes because um I'm gonna be calling her up saying, where is it? What do you got? And again, if you know somebody that can help out this organization with this special um operation of gifting, right? Please, please, please reach out to Tam and um, you know, let's get it done. Let's get it done. Yep. All right. Thanks, everybody. Make sure to watch and follow, and we'll talk to you another day.